Steve Bannon and Rosemary Jenks explain how Washington designed an immigration system that drives down wages and undermines the country.
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This clip aired on WarRoom’s morning show on November 13, 2025. Transcript begins below (lightly edited for clarity; may contain minor errors).
[START BENNY JOHNSON WITH CHIP ROY CLIP]
BENNY JOHNSON: The dream of homeownership and a functional society has collapsed in one generation since the greatest generation in World War II, and it is something that we got to fix. Charlie’s solution, obviously, is mass deportations and ending H 1B scams, among other things. What is your take on this, Congressman?
CONGRESSMAN CHIP ROY: Well, first of all, I did listen to virtually all of Byron’s interview, and there is a reason that I have endorsed him for governor. We agree. We are great friends. We work together in the House Freedom Caucus. We are aligned philosophically on a lot of these issues. So I agree with much of what he said. But what I would just add is, as you know, in Texas, we have been dealing with the brunt of the illegal immigration influence. But now we are seeing, I think, the ramifications of the H 1B system and how it has been abused, in addition to chain migration and diversity visas, which we have been trying to fix for a long time. And we have been unable to do so.
You will remember back in 2018 with the various bills that were being debated in President Trump’s first term. And we were unable to get that resolved as Republicans. And it left it both broken with respect to the illegal immigration system. We did not get the wall fully built. We did not get fixes to all of the asylum problems and the abuse of parole and the catch and release. But we also did not address ending the chain migration diversity visas. We had language to do it. We just could not get the votes.
So now what are we dealing with in Texas? We are dealing with a massive Islamism problem. We are dealing with a massive problem of the advancement of Sharia law. We are dealing with a mass community that is growing up that have no desire to assimilate and come here to become American and embrace Western civilization, embrace our Constitution, embrace our values. We have allowed the corporatists to define our entire national policy.
And if I were going to go talk about what Charlie’s tweet there was about, that summary, which is exceptionally on point and as he always was when he was starting from faith, family, the foundational principles. And that encapsulates it very well. You should be able to own a home. You should be able to have Americans getting jobs. And the mass deportation is correct. The ending H 1B is correct, etc.
What I would point out here is that we are dealing with a cultural problem about who we are as Americans. Going back a couple of years ago, I was noting 51 million people in this country are foreign born. That is something like 16 or 17 percent of the population. Now that is higher than it has ever been. That is higher than it was in the early 20th century right when we had to mass.
[END BENNY JOHNSON WITH CHIP ROY CLIP]
STEVE BANNON (HOST): One second. Just hold that. I want to get to Rosemary Jenks. Chip is going to join us tomorrow to talk about this.
So what Chip is saying is he is actually working on. They are working on some legislation now at Rosemary Jenks to resolve these problems. H 1B visas and others. Can you just give us an idea of what is in. Because I know they are going to launch this and announce it, and you have been working on it. But the mood change up on Capitol Hill that these things have to be addressed now. You heard Chip give a great summary of kind of the Charlie Kirk perspective of how bad this has gotten, ma’am.
ROSEMARY JENKS (GUEST): Well, I am not sure that, unfortunately, there has been an overall mood change in Congress. I think there are members of Congress who are figuring this out and who are listening to the American people. And obviously, Congressman Roy is one of them. There are others. But what we need right now is a turning point, speaking of Charlie Kirk. We need to have a national conversation about what our immigration policy should be.
I will tell you a dirty little secret. Our immigration system is working exactly as Congress intended it to work right now. This is what they designed it for. It is not working for the American people, but it is doing exactly what. So we need to step back and have a national conversation about what an immigration policy that serves Americans’ interests looks like, and the best way to do that is to have a moratorium bill that stops it all right now so that we can have that conversation. And that is what Congressman Roy is talking about.
STEVE BANNON (HOST): So an H1B bill that we have been talking about, because we think the whole thing is a scam, to shut it down. What is going to be the pushback on that from industry? Because right now, as you know, Rosemary, they have not shown us one billet that Americans cannot fill, either doing education level or job experience. This is all about driving down wages.
So if Roy and others put forward a bill to basically put the whole system, the H1B system, on a hiatus, what is industry and what are the tech pros going to say?
ROSEMARY JENKS (GUEST): Well, first of all, what Congressman Roy is talking about is not just putting H1B on hiatus. He is talking about the entire immigration system, so legal immigration, non immigrant workers, all of it. But from the tech industry, they are going to claim that they are going to go out of business. And a lot of the Chamber of Commerce types will claim the same thing.
The fact is, there will be short term dislocations, short term pain, if this is enacted. But there is going to be plenty of warning for these companies that are dependent on, or say they are dependent on, cheaper foreign labor because this is going to take some time. It is not going to be enacted by Congress overnight. We have a lot of work to do to build support for this kind of legislation.
But the fact is, American companies need to start now weaning themselves off this cheap foreign labor and hiring Americans. It is good for America. It is good for American workers. It is good for our economy. So start now. And the dislocation, the disruption, will be significantly less when we get to a point that finally Americans’ voices are actually heard in Congress.
STEVE BANNON (HOST): Is it correct? I think we have 12 million STEM workers, people that are trained either through education and or training in industry, that are not in the workforce or out of work now in a STEM profession, correct? So there is a pretty deep pool of candidates out there.
ROSEMARY JENKS (GUEST): Absolutely. We know that there has been massive discrimination against American workers over the age of 40 who are becoming too expensive, and the employers can fire them and bring in a younger, cheaper, entry level foreign worker at a much lower salary. We also know, of course, that young Americans are being just completely ignored in tech fields because the foreign student to OPT to H1B pipeline is so robust. And so it is time to break those. It is time to break the pipelines. It is time to break the dependence on foreign workers. Americans. Absolutely. We need this to happen, and we need it to happen now. It is not going to happen instantly, but we need it to happen, and we need to have this conversation.
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