On Episode 45 of War Room: Impeachment, guest Dave Urban, senior advisor to the 2016 Trump campaign in Pennsylvania and CNN commentator, discusses Chris Cuomo’s attempt on CNN to call his mom to corroborate David Holmes’s eavesdropping account.

Urban experienced the epic fail first hand, as he was a member of the panel.

He expands upon the significance of Cuomo’s call: “It points out the flaw in what [David Holmes’s] testimony was. Holmes says I hear this one piece incredibly clearly, then I don’t hear anything else the entire conversation.

Urban continues: “It’s strange credibility to think the guy is sitting there across the table and can hear somebody, whether Ambassador Sondland held the phone out or not is one thing, but the only part of the conversation he hears is the one incriminating part, allegedly. He doesn’t hear any other parts of the conversation.”

For Urban, “it’s really hard to believe.”

Despite CNN’s attempt to prove Holmes correct, “the experiment Chris tried to pull off obviously didn’t go so well for him.’

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