Raheem Kassam and Greg Manz discussed a recent, pro-impeachment interview with former Republican candidate Carly Fiorina.

“I want to talk about Carly Fiorina,” Kassam began. “I’ve never said that before in my life. That sentence. And I’ll probably never say it again. I hope. But Carly Fiorina said something absolutely bizarre. She said it’s vital that President Trump be impeached.”

“Remember, this was Ted Cruz’s running mate. Albeit for about eight minutes. This was Ted Cruz’s running mate in the last election on the Republican side. She said it’s vital Trump be impeached, but she also doesn’t rule out voting for him in 2020. Carly Fiorina is a bizarre person, and I cannot understand what she’s talking about here.”

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Fiorina told CNN: “‘Some of this conduct, like publicly berating a decorated war veteran… who shows up in response to a lawfully issued subpoena of Congress. I think that conduct is not just unbecoming. It’s destructive to our Republic.’”

“Now I’ll grant you Carly Fiorina, as the former head of Hewlett Packard, knows a thing or two about destruction, ” Kassam said. “But firstly it’s nonsensical that ‘it’s vital he be impeached’. But she won’t rule out voting for him next year? Didn’t she try and take over the Republican party at some point?”

“That’s correct,” Manz confirmed. “In the summer of 2016 there were rumours. And people on the record. Talking about her interest in taking over the RNC. Remember this was before President Trump won in November. But she was interested in heading the Republican National Committee.”

“The timing is interesting,” Manz continued. “For her coming out talking about impeachment as well. Because it’s also been well-sourced that she’s interested in running in 2021 for governor of Virginia.”

“Oh boy. Maybe the only candidate who could get defeated by somebody who’s worn black face,” Kassam commented, referencing Governor Ralph Northam. 

“When you look at someone like Carly Fiorina and you think: ‘Wow, she was on track to perhaps be the Republican Vice President if Ted Cruz had won out, and if she had stayed on the ticket, and they had beaten Hillary Clinton.’”

“To come out and say something like this,” Kassam continued,” during a process that she can see, the independent voters can see, and even the Democrats’ base can see is a flawed process. [Democrats are] losing Congressmen over this. They’re losing people in town halls. They’re losing people in the polling. Why is Carly Fiorina sticking her oar in like this?”

Kassam added: “And by the way, just so it’s clear, the interview was with, drum roll please: CNN.”

“Do these people realize that without President Trump doing what he did and being this battering ram against the political establishment. Not just against the inter-agency consensus. Not just against the swamp. But the swamp within the Republican party itself. They would be so long forgotten? Carly Fiorina. She is already long forgotten. But many of her Republican colleagues would have lost. Would have continued to lose. Would not even gotten a look in the next time around. There would have been an incumbency factor for the Democrats if they had won the 2016 presidential election.”

Kassam explained how Trump “changed the trajectory of the Republican party: away from this neoliberal, Koch-backed, middle of the road, Mitt Romney party and gave it new life. And they are still spitting in his face.”

“President Trump gave the Republican party a backbone,” Manz added.

“That is absolutely true,” Kassam agreed.